Support for valve preamp
Congratulations on the valve preamp project in the November
2003 issue! You have succinctly summed up the appeal of this project - for
"people wanting to satisfy their curiosity about valve circuits".
The fact that valve amplifiers do not have the performance and
cost advantages of solid-state does not mean that such projects have no value.
If electronics is to flourish, the importance of projects that stimulate
curiosity and provide educational value cannot be underestimated. The value of
such projects is not measured in terms of technical performance.
One aspect of SILICON
CHIP's success is the technical
excellence of the projects. However, SILICON CHIP would not be harmed in the
slightest if it continued to include the occasional project that is designed
from a different perspective. This can only broaden the appeal of an already
excellent magazine.
Sometimes, the most fun to be had in electronics is simply
satisfying one's curiosity - the project doesn't have to be a world-beater! To
draw an analogy, people (including young people) still take joyrides on steam
trains and Tiger Moths - just to see what they're like. Judging by the smiles on
the faces of these people, none seem disappointed with the fact that it's not
the latest in transportation technology. Why should electronics be any
different?
It would be great to see more of these types of projects. It
would enrich rather than diminish SILICON CHIP and help to keep the
interest in electronics alive!
Name supplied but withheld
at author's request.
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Valve circuitry was better than claimed
I was quite happy to see the valve audio preamp design
published in the November 2003 issue despite the fairly obvious reluctance to
publish a valve project. However, I feel I must disagree with some of the
comments made in regard to valve circuitry in both the article and editorial
where the "traditional" non-use of negative feedback was mentioned more than
once.
The benefits of negative feedback have been known for many,
many years and it has been applied to valve audio equipment over many years. As
an example, the EA-designed "Playmaster" valve audio amplifiers from the 1960s
all used considerable negative feedback, improving the already basically good
performance. In fact, those amplifiers, complete with the "ultra-linear" output
stage, produced much better overall performance than the early "all transistor"
amplifiers of the day, the latter often having quite serious problems with
"crossover" distortion.
Admittedly, transistors were relatively new but the last
generation of valve amplifiers were generally excellent. I am aware that valve
preamps with excellent "specs" are still being made for true high-fidelity
applications, here in Australia, along with consistent demand, and I am aware
that very high quality microphones, complete with built-in valve preamps, are
used in the recording industry around the world.
Valve circuitry is not perfect but in reality, it was much
better than you've let on and it still has its dedicated followers. Felix Scerri,
Ingham, Qld.
Comment: while negative feedback was commonly used in the
better class of push-pull amplifiers, its use in small signal circuitry such as
preamps, tone controls, etc was rare. Nor was the amount of negative feedback
used in push-pull amplifiers very large, mainly because of phasing problems in
output transformers. Anything more than 20dB of feedback would have been
extremely rare.
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Older DVD players won't play some new DVDs
I'm writing this in reply to a letter in the November issue
regarding an issue of older DVD players being unable to read new DVDs.
I am an apprentice electronics technician working in Bendigo,
Victoria. Just a few days after reading the letter about older DVD players being
unable to read some new DVDs, I was confronted with such a unit on my bench. The
fault description went something like this: "Plays older DVDs fine but not new
ones".
I had it on my bench for a few hours testing different DVDs and
it played without a hitch and just before I gave it back to the customer, I
tried a few other DVDs which we don't normally test with.
With just one turn of the DVD the player decided it could not
play the disc. It came up with a message "This type of disc cannot be played,
please insert another disc". It wasn't that it had trouble reading it, it was
just not supported by the player.
I tried another new disc I had on hand and the same thing
occurred!
These two discs were the classic "The Great Escape" and "The
Scarlet Pimpernel". Both discs were quite new and played fine on other newer DVD
players. Region codes matched. It should have worked but it didn't. Anyway after
this I thought of that letter in the recent issue of your magazine and it dawned
on me that this was what I was encountering.
A quick phone call to the manufacturer concerned confirmed my
suspicion. He told me that some older machines can't play some new discs due to
the copyright method used on the disc and that there was nothing that could be
done to the unit to make it play them.
By the way, this particular DVD player was part of a home
theatre amplifier setup, so it would cost a fair bit to replace with a new one!
When you buy a DVD player, you would expect to be able to play any suitable
region coded disc but apparently not.
Erik Atkinson,
Bendigo, Vic.
Logging your driving nightmare
A comment on the "Logging Your Every Driving Moment" article on
the November 1003 issue: why stop at logging just a subset of parameters for a
short duration? Why not add a differential GPS receiver and the ability to
receive database updates from roadside transmittters?
With what would be, in effect, a map of the local area (and
speed limits) onboard the vehicle, the GPS position and velocity would make it
possible to record speeding violations, perhaps based on time-of-day or
day-of-week, on every single street, road and expressway in the country, 24
hours a day. A stylish LCD could even display the car's accumulated fines,
payable at the next renewal of rego!
No poor radar/laser operators standing in the hot sun for hours
at a time. No speed camera photos to develop and print. Cities would not have to
maintain thousands of parking meters and ticket machines - the car would always
know when and where it was parked, and for how long, and record this information
to determine periodic payments as well.
I have no doubt that I could throw together a rough prototype
of such a nightmare system for well under one thousand dollars. What could a
team of professional designers accomplish? With the economies of scale - imagine
such a device fitted to every single automobile and truck in the nation - and
the potential revenue to be collected, governments would do well to pay for the
development and manufacturing costs and give the devices to the auto makers for
installation.
With a bit more sophistication and complexity it might be
possible, at the driver's discretion, to have a mode where the vehicle simply
would not exceed the speed limit on any given road at any time. The driver could
then concentrate on looking out the windows and not at the speedo. Couple this
with a decent navigation system and the "big brother" implications become
(slightly) more palatable.
I'll bet I will live to see such a system or something very
much like it.
William H. Hanna,
Alice Springs, NT.
Comment: what fiendish ideas you have. Let's hope it never
happens. Of course, some cars already use GPS in the Road Assist system and
there is also the Road Angel system which logs all speed cameras and lets you
know where they are.
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Please explain one notion
The last sentence in the 12AX7 Valve Preamp project (November
2003) reads ". . . hear for yourself what 'valve sound' actually sounds like".
However, the editorial in the same issue states that the amplifier probably
would not have that valve "warm sound" due to the design implementing negative
feedback.
So what is the point of your design or what is the point of
building the project in order to hear valve sound, if it does not deliver this?
This project is an oxymoron. Or is it a biased political manoeuvre to dispel the
appreciation of valves? Or are there two factions at SILICON CHIP
with a conflicting stance concerning valve audio?
Perhaps the kit's charm will be iconic via the ginger glow of
the heated vacuous space on top.
There is so much biased emotion in audiophile circles on the
topic of valves. If valves do give a richer, truer sound as many state they do,
is this for power amplifier stages that "cradle" the loudspeaker current, or is
it at any stage like your preamp stage? Unless a sound system (a series system
by its nature) is fully valve (including a 100% valve analog section CD
player(!) playing 100% valve pickup, mixed and transcribed recordings!),
obtaining true rich sound by merely adding on a valve preamp would logically
imply the valve is merely adding a sonic character (distortion).
Hence, the "valve sound" is not a reflection of a truer
reproduction but is an additive artifact (that could be emulated on a DSP with a
"valve" setting). Or does the existence of your project imply that valves will
give a truer richer reproduction over semiconductors for low level pickup
amplification stages (guitar, microphones, phonogram cartridge) that silicon
amplification will make sound "thin"?
To me, the only single notion that is agreed upon for valves is
that (for active crossover systems) semiconductor power amplifiers are better
for low bass frequencies due to better damping control of the subwoofer/woofer.
(Use of valves in an active system would imply that valves are beneficial for
power amplifier stages driving the loudspeaker driver, especially for the
loosely defined "midrange" area.)
What is SILICON
CHIP's philosophy? Do valves offer a
truer reproduction (for what stage?) or do they just add a "rich, warm,
pleasant" distortion? If SILICON
CHIP does have a stance, would this be
based on textbook engineering wisdom, on broad listening experience, or on
double-blind listening tests?
Do you need time in the cooler to think this one out? Paul Rohde,
via email.
Comment: as you must have gathered, we have always been of the
opinion that valve amplifiers were great in the past (when there was no other
choice) but their day is long since gone. We regard any system having "warm
sound" as clear evidence of distortion.
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Beating Macrovision nuisance on an old TV
With DVD taking over in the video shops, we got a player. Our
old TV has only an antenna input so the AV output from the DVD player has to
pass through our VCR to be converted to RF. This is fine except that the
Macrovision protection on the DVD makes it impossible to watch, as the picture
fades, tears and pulsates.
So I built the SILICON
CHIP "Dr Video" (April 2001) kit from
Jaycar to stabilise the picture. It took an hour and 20 minutes to assemble, all
the components were present and fitted perfectly and all the holes in the panels
were in the right place. The stabiliser works perfectly. Thanks for a great
circuit and a very professional and inexpensive kit. It is credit to
SILICON CHIP and Jaycar.
Chez Watts,
Brackenridge, Qld.
Argument about feedback
I bought the November 2003 issue with the valve preamp and
would like to comment. For starters, your feedback from the plate of the second
triode back to the cathode of the first is in fact positive feedback, though
once its on the cathode the effect on the plate of the first triode is then
negative. I know this is a small thing but an application of non-inverted signal
is always positive feedback and an application of inverted signal is negative
feedback - or am I wrong?
I have been a musician for many more years than I have been
into electronics and one thing I've learnt is that, in the creation of music, as
opposed to its reproduction, the controlled use of harmonic distortion is very,
very useful and a significant part of sound shaping. For this reason it might be
that your first version of the valve preamp, with the addition of a logarithmic
pot instead of the grid resistor on the second stage, is actually of more use
than the second version for the simple reason that the harmonic distortion is
greater even if the amplification factor isn't so great.
I have a mixer using 5534 and TLO op amps and if I want valves,
I would put them between the instrument and the mixer where amplification needs
to be controlled. This is important and their use is mainly for an injection of
harmonic distortion and a kind of DC bias shaping. Even if I were going straight
to an amplifier I would still need these qualities more than pure gain. So I
think you guys should be a little more mindful of the end uses of musical
equipment and not be so concerned about what your own conditions of excellence
are.
Also while the inverter power supply is nifty, it's basically a
non-starter for musicians who usually have 9V effects and anyway it's a lot
easier just to use two small transformers, with the second backwards, to build
the power supplies for preamp duties.
Please get the help of real musicians if more attempts are made
at "musical" effects as up to now they have been mostly non-musical. In future,
you will give your good selves much more credibility to "serious" musicians if
you realise the vital importance of harmonic distortion.
Sean Kerrigan,
via email.
Comment: the feedback is negative because it reduces the
grid-cathode signal. The same thing occurs in any non-inverting direct coupled
amplifier where the feedback signal is in phase with the input signal.
In our book, anything above 1% harmonic distortion is gross.
Nor do we think that lots of second harmonic distortion is necessarily what
musicians expect from valve amplifiers.
Many musos also think that valve amplifiers have "soft
clipping". That isn't the case in a typical push-pull
amplifier with
feedback. The scope photos shown here demonstrate clipping in a commercial valve
guitar amplifier. Its clipping is actually much worse and "harder" (ie, far more
distortion) than in typical solid state amplifiers.
These two waveforms show severe overload occuring in a push-pull valve guitar amplifier on a tone burst signal. This is far worse that would occur in a typical solid-state amplifier.